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#1 Knightwood

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Posted 26 July 2005 - 08:36 AM

So with all this discussion about what it cost to rear and how much to sell for.

I would be interested in what you think is actually fair to charge to rear pups from birth to 12 months old.

Is the price steadly increased as the pup gets older or is it the same price all the way through.

I have a number of pups which i am going to have reared and would be interested in what sort of figures you guys thought i should be paying

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Posted 26 July 2005 - 02:14 PM

You get what you pay for - as I said on Global, we were ripped off with the rearing of our first litter - they were a shocking state at 7 months when we got them back, we paid lower end money and it nearly ruined our pups.

It all comes down to the rearer, how they treat, feed and look after the dogs + how you get on with them - do you trust them?,

Best advice is visit the place first - look at the dogs, are they nervous, well fed, happy and outgoing, does the place look like it has been looked after, do the people know what they are doing, doing you like them?. Are they on site as some rearers work during the day at their full paid employment and then look after your pups for a few hours in the morning and evening - hence sometimes the cheap rates- Common sense should be used really.

Any advice needed, give me a call or an email.

The only rearer I would recommend would be Questy (can't recommend myself - lol! - we rear for a load of forum members and also big owners in the UK & Ireland so you would have to ask them about us), he may be full as he is as popular as we are but give him a shout for advice aswell.

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Posted 26 July 2005 - 05:21 PM

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Its simply, you get in life what you pay for.

I'm not going to get into what "SHOULD" be paid as i'm sure i'd get murdered but try asking David about rearing costs and even he'll tell you it should be much more than is normally charged,i myself am on the go from 7am till 11pm,7 days a week,52 weeks a year,we can't lock them away at 3pm like most racing kennels do and go home and not have to worry about them and yet wereby most owners would'nt part with 5 p/day for their pups they will happily pay 10 p/day at some tracks,does'nt make sense to me and some owners don't realise that pups eat far more food than any racing dog would.

I thought you'd be using Dan and Lou's place,i submise they are full up,so good luck in werever you end up.

Edited by Questy, 26 July 2005 - 05:23 PM.


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Posted 26 July 2005 - 06:49 PM

What part of Ireland are you from Questy???
Ive been involved in the dogs along time now and my family goes back generations of dogs.
Ive tried some places since my old rearer sadly passed away( Alfie Kyle, The best in the buisness, R.I.P) and to be honest even paying top money dosent garuntee.
I use two differnt people now after years of trying to get someone i could trust with my future racers.
One is here in Ireland, in the Tipperary area and they are as good as ive seen to date, i wont be changing in a hurry and the other is someone i will always have pups with no matter what.Bordergreyhounds, not sure what name he goes under on here if he is on here at all is a top class individual with a dog and has reared some whelps for me that i can honestly say are what i want in a young dog.
No nerves, well socialised, well looked after, plenty of room and most importantly a good healthy balanced diet, not just churned out complete carbage, good honest meat etc. etc, what champions are reared and trained on.
I live 5 minutes from the late great Gay Mc Kenna, his record speaks for itself and he fed meat veg and bred, so thats good enough for me.

The origonal question was asked about price, I get charged 30E here at home from my rearers and 20 from bordergreyhounds over your side of the pond, tyo me thats more than fair for the work that goes into the dogs, the time effort and hard work put in to my pups from these kennells is worth alot more then the small fee asked.

Anyone in the U.K looking to have there dogs reared on wont go to far wrong with bordergreyhound kennells, somebody that knows the game and knows what pups needs makes a hell of a difference then some of the wise guys in the game that are in it to try make a quick buck.

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Posted 26 July 2005 - 10:45 PM

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I'm from Scotland and i also live in the Borders,would yer man at Border Greyhounds by any chance be Craig,if so he has reared some lovely pups with group class winners to boot,its really refreshing to hear an owner say hes getting charged to little for the time put in and can only wish there were more like your goodself,many people have contacted me about rearing and on chatting have been impressed with how i rear pups on and the facilitys on offer but go all sheepish when i mention the cost and you get the normal "Oh i can get it cheaper in Ireland",i just wish them all the best and crack on.

Its a hard game to be in and its really been an eye opener for me and i have nothing but admiration for fellow rearers who sacrifice so much in their bid to produce a champion.

Good luck with your pups now and in the future.

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 03:18 PM

Hi, his name isnt Craig, its Kevin.
Im actually a trainer and run most of my dogs on the dublin tracks, Shelbourne Park and Harrolds Cross, so i know whats needed to get the dogs to me.
I dont have the place to rear pups on and i dont know if i would have the know how like Kevin at bordergreyhounds.He has whelped bitches for me which i always done myself until pups were 12 weeks old, i could never trust anyone with my brood stock, now i wouldnt do it myself since kevin whelped my first and sent me back saplings that were second to none.The guy has been around dogs all his life so he knows like yourself only to well whats needed and its a breath of fresh air to have found someone that i can trust 100% do get the job done to the highest standard there is.
He has bitches there for brood stock that you could only imagine about owning so it wont be long before he is well and truly established on the greyhound circuit both here and in the U.K.

Anyway good luck to you and your dogs, i hope you get some good ones, im more then happy with Kevin looking after my dogs and it wont be long now before the next bacth are on the track and winning races, from he has been telling me the next lot has some real prospects to look forward to.

Cheers Trainer.

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Posted 12 May 2006 - 10:03 AM

To answer your initial question Knightwood, about the cost, certainly you should not attempt to do a brood bitch and pups on the cheap, but of course we all want a good deal too.

I personally have had dealings with regard to whelping with Ken and Sarah Duce of Elbony Kennels in limerick county, they in my opinion got the mix just right, the price was reasonable for the work that goes into a litter of pups which believe me until i visited and saw it in action i did not realise there was so much to do with you pups and broods.

I would have no hesitation in recommending them, their welcome is great, the dogs look fantasitc, the whole family are dedicated, and sarah is very experienced and knowledgable about the whole whelping and rearing process..

They have been in ireland over 10 years now i believe, and have bred and reared some great dogs, the walls of there house were lined with photos of winners, from all over the world from their kennels.

I have had many poor experiences with kennels over the years, and now would always insist of viewing the place and visiting the people before they got their hands on any of my dogs, thats my best advice, visit, get recommendations, see there track record etc etc

any place can be cheap, but i have had some nightmare experiences in the past, when i have not taken as much care as i maybe should have placing my dogs,

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Posted 12 May 2006 - 05:20 PM

All this crap about rearing !!!

Normally IF you are lucky there are only one or two in the litter that shine..

Many a champion has been reared in a back yard , two great champions spring to mind IM SLIPPY , also RAPID RANGER...

Greavsie rears em in pens , its the broods that throw em..

Just feed em well , plus plenty of excercise ( NO and you do not need 20 acre fields to rear em in either)

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Posted 15 May 2006 - 09:13 AM

All this crap about rearing !!!

Normally IF you are lucky there are only one or two in the litter that shine..

Many a champion has been reared in a back yard , two great champions spring to mind IM SLIPPY , also RAPID RANGER...

Greavsie rears em in pens , its the broods that throw em..

Just feed em well , plus plenty of excercise ( NO and you do not need 20 acre fields to rear em in either)




All this crap about rearing !!!

Normally IF you are lucky there are only one or two in the litter that shine..

Many a champion has been reared in a back yard , two great champions spring to mind IM SLIPPY , also RAPID RANGER...

Greavsie rears em in pens , its the broods that throw em..

Just feed em well , plus plenty of excercise ( NO and you do not need 20 acre fields to rear em in either)





Whisper,

I agree with some of what you are saying, you do not have to have acres of land to rear good pups, but what you do need are knowledge, common sense, good quality feed, space to run, and regular worming and such.

As I said I have found these requirements with Ken and Sarah at Elbony Kennels and so for the foreseeable future, will be using them for any broods i have.

Alan

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 12:40 AM

i got a dog i baught recently coming from the usa the breeder told me its fine to rear your dogs at home providing the get good tlc lots of outdoor time and good nurishment, i was wondering what foods shall i give her? i have seen some nutrients and tablets should i use them during rearing like stuff for blood cells and what not but im thinking it could all be to much for a young dog any sugestions?

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 12:22 PM

The only rearer I would recommend would be Questy (can't recommend myself - lol! - we rear for a load of forum members and also big owners in the UK & Ireland so you would have to ask them about us), he may be full as he is as popular as we are but give him a shout for advice aswell.